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		<title>By: Pieter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pieter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, i&#039;ll give it a try. Thanks a lot for the advice Ian. Great you do this for music producing community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, i&#8217;ll give it a try. Thanks a lot for the advice Ian. Great you do this for music producing community!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/deep-bass-sound/comment-page-1/#comment-5906</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pieter,

Thanks, glad you like the site ! And, nice remix :-)

The reason you can&#039;t hear the bass on small speakers is that it&#039;s almost all sub. Few hi-fi speakers reproduce anything useful below 50Hz, and many roll off from 80Hz down.

Try putting a high-cut filter over the mix and sweeping it up. With 12 dB/octave it removes the low note at 50Hz, and by 80Hz the top note is greatly reduced. At 100Hz both notes have gone, and so has most of the kick drum.

Now, I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s necessarily a problem - if you want that warm, deep feel these are the kinds of sounds you need.

But, you could experiment with adding some higher harmonics into the sounds - even just a little of the first harmonic (an octave up) can help. Pendulum have several higher-frequency sounds doubling the synth bass, which also helps, but this may not work for your mix.

For the kick, I&#039;d be tempted to blend in another sound, more in that &quot;heartbeat&quot; 100Hz area, so that on speakers that don&#039;t reproduce very low frequencies you can still feel it. Again, just a very little may do the trick.

Or, you could just tell people to listen to it on decent speakers ;-p

Hope something there helps,

Cheers,

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pieter,</p>
<p>Thanks, glad you like the site ! And, nice remix <img src='http://productionadvice.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The reason you can&#8217;t hear the bass on small speakers is that it&#8217;s almost all sub. Few hi-fi speakers reproduce anything useful below 50Hz, and many roll off from 80Hz down.</p>
<p>Try putting a high-cut filter over the mix and sweeping it up. With 12 dB/octave it removes the low note at 50Hz, and by 80Hz the top note is greatly reduced. At 100Hz both notes have gone, and so has most of the kick drum.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s necessarily a problem &#8211; if you want that warm, deep feel these are the kinds of sounds you need.</p>
<p>But, you could experiment with adding some higher harmonics into the sounds &#8211; even just a little of the first harmonic (an octave up) can help. Pendulum have several higher-frequency sounds doubling the synth bass, which also helps, but this may not work for your mix.</p>
<p>For the kick, I&#8217;d be tempted to blend in another sound, more in that &#8220;heartbeat&#8221; 100Hz area, so that on speakers that don&#8217;t reproduce very low frequencies you can still feel it. Again, just a very little may do the trick.</p>
<p>Or, you could just tell people to listen to it on decent speakers ;-p</p>
<p>Hope something there helps,</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/deep-bass-sound/comment-page-1/#comment-5902</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian,

First of all, great site you have, i learned already so much in the little time i&#039;ve been following your site! I always wanted to make deep bass sounds, but find it difficult to do, especially to make them deep, wide and articulated at the same time. 
Listen for example to my latest track (http://soundcloud.com/benignbastard/willitsflowersintostardustb9bmesmerized). 
I spent a lot of time to that bass and when listening to it at home, it seems fine, but i cannot hear it on small speakers (Creative type). Is there anyway i can make it still audible on little speakers?
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian,</p>
<p>First of all, great site you have, i learned already so much in the little time i&#8217;ve been following your site! I always wanted to make deep bass sounds, but find it difficult to do, especially to make them deep, wide and articulated at the same time.<br />
Listen for example to my latest track (<a href="http://soundcloud.com/benignbastard/willitsflowersintostardustb9bmesmerized" rel="nofollow">http://soundcloud.com/benignbastard/willitsflowersintostardustb9bmesmerized</a>).<br />
I spent a lot of time to that bass and when listening to it at home, it seems fine, but i cannot hear it on small speakers (Creative type). Is there anyway i can make it still audible on little speakers?<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: RolazUK</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/deep-bass-sound/comment-page-1/#comment-3761</link>
		<dc:creator>RolazUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; They seem to alternate heavy kick + light squelchy synth with light kick + deep powerful bass&quot;

Wow, that&#039;s unlocked many a mystery, thank you. 

I&#039;m a D&amp;B &amp; Dubstep producer just venturing into the murky world of sound engineering. So really I am learning about music all over again.

Thanks again, great site!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; They seem to alternate heavy kick + light squelchy synth with light kick + deep powerful bass&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, that&#8217;s unlocked many a mystery, thank you. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a D&amp;B &amp; Dubstep producer just venturing into the murky world of sound engineering. So really I am learning about music all over again.</p>
<p>Thanks again, great site!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/deep-bass-sound/comment-page-1/#comment-3759</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I can hear similar techniques in use there, although there&#039;s also a nice use of two different kick sounds, one with much more bass than the other. They seem to alternate heavy kick + light squelchy synth with light kick + deep powerful bass. Good strategy !

The dynamic range is very limited, though - when the beats kick in it&#039;s barely louder than the intro, and there&#039;s heavy pumping on lots of it. This brings the average level right up without massive distortion, but for my money reduces the impact potential of the beats.

Pendulum is also very controlled, but listen to what happens at 28 seconds in - the beat lifts in level so it really hits you - that&#039;s the &quot;ambush&quot; effect. There&#039;s none of that in the Noisia track - when the beats hit it actually seems to take a step back, which I think is a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I can hear similar techniques in use there, although there&#8217;s also a nice use of two different kick sounds, one with much more bass than the other. They seem to alternate heavy kick + light squelchy synth with light kick + deep powerful bass. Good strategy !</p>
<p>The dynamic range is very limited, though &#8211; when the beats kick in it&#8217;s barely louder than the intro, and there&#8217;s heavy pumping on lots of it. This brings the average level right up without massive distortion, but for my money reduces the impact potential of the beats.</p>
<p>Pendulum is also very controlled, but listen to what happens at 28 seconds in &#8211; the beat lifts in level so it really hits you &#8211; that&#8217;s the &#8220;ambush&#8221; effect. There&#8217;s none of that in the Noisia track &#8211; when the beats hit it actually seems to take a step back, which I think is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: RolazUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RolazUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the same with Noisia? There sounds are equally amazing (Exodus) There sounds are always so full on the tip of the sound spectrum without complete distortion. 

Noisia Exodus.. Video by Alexander Lehman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDS872M9Y9c

Both track and video are amazing compositions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the same with Noisia? There sounds are equally amazing (Exodus) There sounds are always so full on the tip of the sound spectrum without complete distortion. </p>
<p>Noisia Exodus.. Video by Alexander Lehman<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDS872M9Y9c" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDS872M9Y9c</a></p>
<p>Both track and video are amazing compositions.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/deep-bass-sound/comment-page-1/#comment-3611</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article.

The truth is that the most of electronic dance music is highly compressed, although some producers try to change this achieving more DR, still compressed, but not so much. I think things may change in the future.

If you want to see what gear is Pendulum using, check this http://bit.ly/hR4Xu1, where they show their outboard gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article.</p>
<p>The truth is that the most of electronic dance music is highly compressed, although some producers try to change this achieving more DR, still compressed, but not so much. I think things may change in the future.</p>
<p>If you want to see what gear is Pendulum using, check this <a href="http://bit.ly/hR4Xu1" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/hR4Xu1</a>, where they show their outboard gear.</p>
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		<title>By: kribb@home</title>
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		<dc:creator>kribb@home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review and tips! 
I usually make House and this can really be of use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review and tips!<br />
I usually make House and this can really be of use!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/deep-bass-sound/comment-page-1/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you liked it ! I have to be honest, I haven&#039;t used FL for years, so it&#039;s hard to say. I&#039;ll ask the question on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/prodAdvice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt; and see if anyone else chimes in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you liked it ! I have to be honest, I haven&#8217;t used FL for years, so it&#8217;s hard to say. I&#8217;ll ask the question on <a href="http://twitter.com/prodAdvice" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a> and see if anyone else chimes in.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey this stuff is great, and it makes a lot of sense. im kinda new to making this type of music but i do have a question, is fl studio a good program to try to experiment with these techniques, i usually do less heavy synth stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey this stuff is great, and it makes a lot of sense. im kinda new to making this type of music but i do have a question, is fl studio a good program to try to experiment with these techniques, i usually do less heavy synth stuff?</p>
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