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		<title>By: Ian Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-to-avoid-over-compressing-your-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jay,

Glad you found it helpful - and yes, I absolutely agree, EQ is crucial to getting a good result in mastering.

DR7 isn&#039;t a disaster, especially for sample-based stuff, but you might find the DR5 songs sound better with a little more space to breathe !

Cheers,

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jay,</p>
<p>Glad you found it helpful &#8211; and yes, I absolutely agree, EQ is crucial to getting a good result in mastering.</p>
<p>DR7 isn&#8217;t a disaster, especially for sample-based stuff, but you might find the DR5 songs sound better with a little more space to breathe !</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-to-avoid-over-compressing-your-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-7800</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot topic i must say, i think you hit the nail on the head by saying the DR lv is genre dependant..

Those who clearly dismiss the whole DR war are obviously being deafened by what they listen to lol

This DR lv is all new to me but listening to modern music you can tell that instruments are having the living shiz squeeded outta them with heavy compression..

Ive tested my tracks and im shocked that most are around 5 ~ 7 :() so im a little gutted about that..
However the music i produce i mainly sample and soft synth based which as you have said are already compressed : /

For me im not too bothered about the end master volum level, i would like to get the distinctive polished sound that you can hear each and every instrument in the mix as clean as if there in the room with you.. im not sure how they do that maybe a punchy compressor setting along with good EQing i dont know but if you know what i mean let me lol.

I think that EQing is one of the most underestimated practises in mixing a track.

Thanks again for this great info, i will defo take DR into account in my future tracks and i might even try remixing my tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot topic i must say, i think you hit the nail on the head by saying the DR lv is genre dependant..</p>
<p>Those who clearly dismiss the whole DR war are obviously being deafened by what they listen to lol</p>
<p>This DR lv is all new to me but listening to modern music you can tell that instruments are having the living shiz squeeded outta them with heavy compression..</p>
<p>Ive tested my tracks and im shocked that most are around 5 ~ 7 <img src='http://productionadvice.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> ) so im a little gutted about that..<br />
However the music i produce i mainly sample and soft synth based which as you have said are already compressed : /</p>
<p>For me im not too bothered about the end master volum level, i would like to get the distinctive polished sound that you can hear each and every instrument in the mix as clean as if there in the room with you.. im not sure how they do that maybe a punchy compressor setting along with good EQing i dont know but if you know what i mean let me lol.</p>
<p>I think that EQing is one of the most underestimated practises in mixing a track.</p>
<p>Thanks again for this great info, i will defo take DR into account in my future tracks and i might even try remixing my tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-to-avoid-over-compressing-your-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-6191</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jorano, Since last year I&#039;m on the board of directors of Turn Me Up, so I have some influence ! And, I agree that DR14 is a very ambitious goal - that&#039;s why an average level of DR8 is all that&#039;s needed to qualify for the Dynamic Range Day challenge:

http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/challenge/

As far as Turn Me Up goes though, everyone who signed up there did so when DR14 was the target, so I don&#039;t think we can change that without consulting them first. But, I&#039;ll certainly raise this and talk about shifting the emphasis in future.

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jorano, Since last year I&#8217;m on the board of directors of Turn Me Up, so I have some influence ! And, I agree that DR14 is a very ambitious goal &#8211; that&#8217;s why an average level of DR8 is all that&#8217;s needed to qualify for the Dynamic Range Day challenge:</p>
<p><a href="http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/challenge/" rel="nofollow">http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/challenge/</a></p>
<p>As far as Turn Me Up goes though, everyone who signed up there did so when DR14 was the target, so I don&#8217;t think we can change that without consulting them first. But, I&#8217;ll certainly raise this and talk about shifting the emphasis in future.</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Jorano</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-to-avoid-over-compressing-your-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-6127</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, do you have any direct involvement in the DR movements? I think a minimum of DR14 is too excessive and it should be lowered to 10 because different genres of music need different amounts of compression. A level of 10 will prevent brickwalling just fine and will allow an easier transition for labels or producers who are used to louder and more compressed mastering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, do you have any direct involvement in the DR movements? I think a minimum of DR14 is too excessive and it should be lowered to 10 because different genres of music need different amounts of compression. A level of 10 will prevent brickwalling just fine and will allow an easier transition for labels or producers who are used to louder and more compressed mastering.</p>
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		<title>By: My mixes aren't sounding as loud and thick as professionally done songs? - Page 3 - Home Recording forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>My mixes aren't sounding as loud and thick as professionally done songs? - Page 3 - Home Recording forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]       Here&#039;s a great tool(beside your ears) to make sure you are not over doing the master limiter. TT Dynamic Range Meter - Fight the Loudness War    Room,Room Room Room!!!!!!!        Reply With [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]       Here&#039;s a great tool(beside your ears) to make sure you are not over doing the master limiter. TT Dynamic Range Meter &#8211; Fight the Loudness War    Room,Room Room Room!!!!!!!        Reply With [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Home recording</title>
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		<dc:creator>Home recording</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great plugin. I&#039;ve been recently using it to analyze some of the commercial productions, and it&#039;s amazing how hard they push mixes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great plugin. I&#8217;ve been recently using it to analyze some of the commercial productions, and it&#8217;s amazing how hard they push mixes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand any of this mumbo jumbo you&#039;re all talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand any of this mumbo jumbo you&#8217;re all talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all

As also discussed on:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep11/articles/loudness.htm
http://productionadvice.co.uk/loudness-war-dynamic-range/
http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=940573&amp;page=0&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1#940573

... I really believe that the TT Dynamic Range Meter results should be considered with caution, for two reasons.


1) it doesn&#039;t measure micro-dynamics, or macro-dynamics, or any kind of dynamics.

As a very simple proof, consider the following sample:

http://private.1-1-1-1.net/SOS/CF_samples/square_cos.wav

It has no dynamics whatsoever. DR as measured with the TT Dynamic Range Meter should be 0. Yet it is 11dB, which makes it comparable to albums from the Smiths or Tom Waits.

2) it doesn&#039;t measure compression per se. As a simple proof, consider the following sample:

http://private.1-1-1-1.net/SOS/CF_samples/OboeLongP.wav

It&#039;s a perfectly natural oboe sample. Yet the TT Dynamic Range Meter says its DR is 3dB, which http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ considers as overlimited (&quot;bad&quot;). I am aware an oboe sample is not a piece of music, but still, caution concerning the TT Dynamic Range Meter results come to mind.


.............

The cause according to which music shouldn&#039;t be overcompressed may be perfectly just and noble, but I&#039;m not sure such confusion between the Crest Factor (which is used by the TT Dynamic Range Meter) AND dynamics AND overlimiting really helps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all</p>
<p>As also discussed on:<br />
<a href="http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep11/articles/loudness.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep11/articles/loudness.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://productionadvice.co.uk/loudness-war-dynamic-range/" rel="nofollow">http://productionadvice.co.uk/loudness-war-dynamic-range/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&#038;Number=940573&#038;page=0&#038;view=collapsed&#038;sb=5&#038;o=&#038;fpart=1#940573" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&#038;Number=940573&#038;page=0&#038;view=collapsed&#038;sb=5&#038;o=&#038;fpart=1#940573</a></p>
<p>&#8230; I really believe that the TT Dynamic Range Meter results should be considered with caution, for two reasons.</p>
<p>1) it doesn&#8217;t measure micro-dynamics, or macro-dynamics, or any kind of dynamics.</p>
<p>As a very simple proof, consider the following sample:</p>
<p><a href="http://private.1-1-1-1.net/SOS/CF_samples/square_cos.wav" rel="nofollow">http://private.1-1-1-1.net/SOS/CF_samples/square_cos.wav</a></p>
<p>It has no dynamics whatsoever. DR as measured with the TT Dynamic Range Meter should be 0. Yet it is 11dB, which makes it comparable to albums from the Smiths or Tom Waits.</p>
<p>2) it doesn&#8217;t measure compression per se. As a simple proof, consider the following sample:</p>
<p><a href="http://private.1-1-1-1.net/SOS/CF_samples/OboeLongP.wav" rel="nofollow">http://private.1-1-1-1.net/SOS/CF_samples/OboeLongP.wav</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a perfectly natural oboe sample. Yet the TT Dynamic Range Meter says its DR is 3dB, which <a href="http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/</a> considers as overlimited (&#8220;bad&#8221;). I am aware an oboe sample is not a piece of music, but still, caution concerning the TT Dynamic Range Meter results come to mind.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>The cause according to which music shouldn&#8217;t be overcompressed may be perfectly just and noble, but I&#8217;m not sure such confusion between the Crest Factor (which is used by the TT Dynamic Range Meter) AND dynamics AND overlimiting really helps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: How to Use a Reference Track to Improve your Mixing &#124; Audio Issues</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-to-avoid-over-compressing-your-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-5086</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Use a Reference Track to Improve your Mixing &#124; Audio Issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] your reference to be somewhere between -12 and -8 dB RMS. Check out another one of Ian&#039;s posts on How to Avoid Over-Compressing Your Mix if you&#039;re still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] your reference to be somewhere between -12 and -8 dB RMS. Check out another one of Ian&#039;s posts on How to Avoid Over-Compressing Your Mix if you&#039;re still [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://productionadvice.co.uk/how-to-avoid-over-compressing-your-mix/comment-page-1/#comment-4536</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

I actually think that systems like ReplayGain will end up doing this for us, without policing required - and hopefully, as producers and artists realise this, they&#039;ll change their ways...

I wrote about this in more detail here:

http://recordproduction.com/blog/2009/10/how-spotify-will-end-the-loudness-wars/

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>I actually think that systems like ReplayGain will end up doing this for us, without policing required &#8211; and hopefully, as producers and artists realise this, they&#8217;ll change their ways&#8230;</p>
<p>I wrote about this in more detail here:</p>
<p><a href="http://recordproduction.com/blog/2009/10/how-spotify-will-end-the-loudness-wars/" rel="nofollow">http://recordproduction.com/blog/2009/10/how-spotify-will-end-the-loudness-wars/</a></p>
<p>Ian</p>
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